The banning of Mona Eltahawy

Mona Eltahawy and I participate in a panel discussionThrough Abu Aadvark, I discovered that one of my favorite Arab columnists, Mona Eltahawy, has been banned from writing for the Saudi-owned Al-Sharq Al-Alawsat daily. The reason is unclear, says Abu Aaadvark, who also wondered if it could be Egyptian pressure. "Perhaps she offended the wrong Saudi? She wasn’t officially told she was banned nor given any reason, but there you go. She’s just gone," he said.

I’m assuming she was banned simply because of her enlightening, yet unorthodox opinions. It is too bad, really. Until when are we going to be stuck with writers babbling the same old rhetoric that we grew up listening to? It really is sad and very frustrating. Her writing renewed my hope in Arab media.

I feel lucky that this past March I had a chance to meet her when we both took part in a panel discussion on reporting in the Middle East that was organized by the University of Wisconsin. In person she is just as impressive as she is in print. She is very smart, very articulate and extremely passionate. I will reiterate now what I said back then: The Arab world definitely needs more Mona’s.

The good news, though, is that she is still writing for a number of international publications. You can also read her articles on her website. She’s also writing for Jordanbased Maktoob. She will never be silenced. Al-Sharq Al-Awsat really made a very poor decision.

61 thoughts on “The banning of Mona Eltahawy”

  1. “The Arab world definitely needs more Mona’s.”

    but more so the arab world needs more mona’s who are willing to live in the arab world and take their chances like those who are working hard for change and braving the hostile official and, sometimes, culutral environment. great reformers like martin luther king and the great feminists of europe and latin america and the freedom fighters of the developing world did not fight for change in the comfort of Wisconson, USA. there is a credibilty issue when someoen talks to us from across the oceans while we live on ground zero. let Mona come to ground zero and roll her sleves with the rest of us. if she thinks it’s too dirty or too scarey, well she can pontificate all she wants through the media but that will just make her another loudmouth, one of many who litter the arab dailies. Sorry, sinelnced or not, she is inefectual unless she joins us here on the frontline. i lift my hat anytime to an unknown local volunteer in an unknown non-profit group here in amman, but i could care less for someone who thinks they are too good or too afraid to be with us and prefer to have a monouloug wiht us through the media.

  2. Walak-

    I see where you’re coming from, though it’s worth pointing out she was in Egypt for several months last year. She also addresses more issues than just Egypt, and as she would tell you, being a Muslim in the United States also sometimes poses challenges.

  3. “being a Muslim in the United States also sometimes poses challenges.”

    not if you you have Mona’s views. She is hardly what I call an activist in the cause of Arab and Muslim American’s civil rights or an outspoken critic of the invasions of palestine and iraq, except in a token asort of way. so arabs with her views are not really challanged in the US, they are most welome. but that’s good for her. I have no problem with diversity of views. i know “challanged” Muslims in the US and she is hardly in that category.

  4. She did live in Egypt but she’s been arrested there at least one time, as I understand it. So it is dangerous for her to continue to do so. While Martin Luther King faced many challenges doing the work that he did in the United States, I think Mona might face a more overtly dangerous path with the Mubarak regime, of which she’s been very criticial, particularly in light of the recent crackdowns. There does come a point where your work might be better served outside of your own home than from within, as tragic as that might be. Imprisoned and tortured is not necessarily the best way to get one’s message across.

  5. I wouldn’t want to see her abused. If she’s in danger in Egypt, let her stay in the States for now until the smoke clears (if it ever will).

  6. You know I saw Mona on the Doha Debate once and read a few of her articles.

    Before I say anything about her, let me make it very clear that I think banning her for writing her opinions is stupid. Also there needs to be more freedom of press and other freedoms in the Middle East.

    Now to my opinion about Mona, I from what I saw and read I found her to be a self loathin Arab to be honest. Her hate is not only obvious for Arab governments but to the people in general. her statements were showing a sense of superiority complex, i.e. I speak English with a British accent (she tries at least) and I’m educated in the West, hence I’m better than everybody else. Her statments were somewhat trying to tell the West that the Arab world’s problems are the people not the governments which I have a huge issue with.

    Additionally, a Muslim like Mona in the USA does not face any harrassment or discrimination. 1) She is a girl, not bad looking either, I know I know you are going to laugh but that makes a difference. 2) She doesn’t exactly speak English with a Middle Eastern accent. 3) She could care less about media statements about Arabs and Islam. All in all she’s the Wests best tool to humiliate the Arab and Muslim world.

    Salam

  7. “If she’s in danger in Egypt, let her stay in the States ”

    Good. Keep her. there are other reformers who are working in the arab world taking risks and going to jail and getting abused. ironically, the only ones who seem to wish to be subjucted to this tourtourous treatment are the islamists today. ever wonder why they are inching closer to power? no secret. most secular and liberal reformers tend to run for cover at the slightist hint of discomfort and are only willing to take risks if they know there is a media attention.

    Now imagine if Martin Luther King was in Sweden leading the civil rights movement? yeah, that would have worked. He was in constant danger and he had the chance to seek asylum in dozens of countries but refused to do so. he was still killed, but he made a difference because he was standing on ground zero. so you can keep Mona.

    i don’t mind arab intellectuals living in the comfort of the western world sharing their views with us here, but I do object to tunring them into heros or martyrs of free speech. heros of free speech applies only people who are here with us who lose their jobs when they speak their minds, who go to jail when the say the truth. THOSE are the only credible players. mona and company are nothing more than self-serving, self-promoting, … To suggest that everyone who speaks truth to power from across the oceans is someone worthy of our admiration is silly. anyone in the US can setup a blog and say whatever they wish and be critical of whatever they want. BIG DEAL.

    Let Mona live among here fellow Arabs and work without media attention in the many ghettoes of the arab world selflessly. then her views will be worth something.

  8. “Also there needs to be more freedom of press and other freedoms in the Middle East.”

    I think you need more freedom of the press and more ethics in the US.

    How many mainstream media outlets dare to speak the truth about Israel before getting in trouble or being accused of anti-semitisim? Remember how many US mainstream magazines fired journalists for being critcal of israeli brutality constantly? Remeber how many great American journalists and acedmics lost their jobs or were demonized after pissing off the jewish lobby in the US? yet racists and xenophobes, and homophobes like O’riley and Savaga continue to be popular with Americans audiences.

    I have no problem with the freedom of the press in the Arab world. At least we don’t defame other religions and races in the name of freedom of the press like they do in the US. of course this defemation happens to be one way in the US: against Arabs and Muslims. So not only do you need freedom of the press in the US you needs ethics of the press.

    But what troubles me the most about the US is the doubled-tounged media. you have CNN and CNN International. You have Newsweek, and Newsweek International. The US versions spews forth pro-israeli pro-invasion hate, the international versions are liberal and multi-cultural. It’s all business right? ethics please.

    The US has a serious issue with it’s values and self-image. you think you are god’s greates gift to humanity (that’s the International version) but in Abugahreeb, Haditha, Palestine we see the real US version. The list of issues is far too long for me to get into here.

  9. “I have no problem with the freedom of the press in the Arab world. At least we don’t defame other religions and races in the name of freedom of the press like they do in the US.”

    You know, no one was arguing with you about the freedom of press in the US. No one said its ethical. You have some good points but you just shoved your foot in your mouth. Also as far as your comment above, you can’t say that there aren’t Muslim countries that defame other relegions and races in the name of freedom, well I guess you can because they do it not in the name of freedom.

    Besides saying that we need to be better in the Arab world doesn’t mean that the US is perfect. Why do you have to compare yourself to anyone. We’ve been doing that for too long, thats why we are shit today. Thats what the Arab world is today. They have our oil, and they made of us the new “common enemy” for our stupidity.

    Its people like you that allow the Islamists to take over and screw over a whole nation.

  10. “you can’t say that there aren’t Muslim countries that defame other relegions and races in the name of freedom”

    you have shoved your s— in your mouth. no one was talking about muslim countries and i could care less about what happens in pakistan. but here you are a racist white trash who reduces things to clash of civilization and christian versus muslim. but that’s not your fault, your educational system failed you. it produces some of the best engineers and programmers, and directors in the west, but other than that you produce trash. i can’t tell you how revolted i get when i discuss international politics with americans on such sites. shallow, racist, one-track minnded. remember the Haditha massacre? the journlaist who exposed the massacre, he received an overwhelming number of hate emails from fellow americans. your society is sick and needs a doctor.

    “Its people like you that allow the Islamists to take over and screw over a whole nation.”

    people like me? what sort of people is that you shallow imbicel? do you want me to go fight them in the streets so you can sit in the comformt of your world of undeserved privilage and looted wealth? why don’t you send in the marines and deal with it the Haditha way.

  11. I am so glad that you made a conclusion that I am white trash when I’m not, I’m Arab just like you. Also I’m so glad you made a conclusion that I live in lots of wealth in the West, I don’t, actually I have more loans than you can imagine and I live in the East just like you.

    I would answer some of your questions, but you already made a big ass out of yourself so I’ll pass.

  12. “you already made a big ass out of yourself so I’ll pass.”

    it seems you lack the ablity to self-reflect, a typical american trait. you offend but your feelings are hurt when you are on the receving end. rather narcissit of you, wont you way? you should read your first reply to my post. are you emotionally capable of sensing how rude you are? i don’t think so. it would be unamerican of you.

  13. You know you are cracking me up. What makes you think I’m American, did you not get the point that I’m Arab???

  14. Maybe some should appeal to the editor in chief of Asharq al Awsat(Tariq al Homayed). Oh wait, he is a second rate writer appointed to the position by a prince. I guess that wont work…..

  15. “Yes, Palestinians deserve a state, and, yes, Israel must end its occupation of the West Bank and Gaza.

    But rather than dwelling endlessly on these issues, we would do well to spend time encouraging our young people to become more active members of their communities and to not live caught between two worlds: a Muslim one at home and in the mosque, an “infidel” one outside.”

    The above is a quote from an article by Miss Eltahawi. Ms. Eltahawi can’t seem to undertand why Palestinian children can’t grow up to be productive. I would like to know if Ms. Eltahawi has ever been to the West Bank or Gaza!! I have.

    I also would love to know if Ms. Eltahawi thinks that the Palestinians have basics of life in Palestine. I’m talking about basics not the luxuries that she had in London and now in the States.

    I suggest that Ms. Eltahawi become a productive member of the world Arab community. Why doesn’t she take a trip to Palestine and see how these children are growing up. I agree wiht the one point that she made that the issue with Palestine is not a Muslim issue. I am Christian Palsetinian myself with a family taht was displaced from palestine.

    At any rate, it seems to me that Ms. Eltahawi tries to give us things to think about that she herself doesn’t understand.

  16. “But rather than dwelling endlessly on these issues, we would do well to spend time encouraging our young people to become more active members of their communities and to not live caught between two worlds: a Muslim one at home and in the mosque, an “infidel” one outside.”

    god lord…you want people who endured decades of violence, cruelty, and racism under a religiously and racillay motivated military occupation to focus on being active in their communities? man, you have lost it. how can anyone be normmal and have a normal life and be active in a normal community under decades of extremely abnormal conditiond? You are a very insensative person. if you are an arab, you are a hateful neoliberal. if you are an american, you are a sick neocon. always trying to push the focus away from israel and always blaming the victims.

  17. here’s a thought. can you read? or is selectively quoting and then misconstruing the english language merely a byproduct of whatever medication you are on? in the article in question, http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/22/AR2005072201629.html, ms eltahawy was addressing muslim youth in the west. lemme say this again for the slow people in the back. ms. eltahawy was addressing muslim youth in the west. if you need me to draw it out in pictures for you, let me know which colors you like best. i hear red is quite popular.

    also, forgive but please explain ms. eltahawy’s reuters bylines from palestine could have been written from “the west”?

  18. actually in the article I’m refering to, Ms. Eltahawi was addressing the Palestinian people in Palestine and that are under occupation. I ddn’t put the link of the article maybe I should have. I’ll see if I can google it again and post it.

  19. Also as far as bylines from Palestine could have been written from the West as she could have been getting her info. via phone lines. I’ve seen it happen with Reuters. I’m not saying she hasn’t been there, I’m questioning if she has because if she has then she should be smart enough not pose stupid questions as the ones she does in that particular article.

  20. merry christmas:

    After London, Tough Questions for Muslims

    By Mona Eltahawy

    Sunday, July 24, 2005; Page B07

    The July 7 London bombings did it for me. Perhaps it was because my parents moved us from Cairo to the British capital when I was 7 years old, and so London was my childhood “home.” Or maybe it was because our route to work and school every morning crisscrossed those same Underground stations that were targeted.

    I’m sure it was also those dog-eared statements that our clerics and religious leaders read out telling us that Islam means peace — it actually means submission — and asking us to please forget everything they had ever said before July 6, because as of July 7 they truly believe violence is bad. Their backpedaling is so furious you can smell the skid marks.

    Some are not even bothering to put their feet on the pedals, such as the 22 imams and scholars who met at London’s largest mosque to condemn the bombings but who would not criticize all suicide attacks.

    Sayed Mohammed Musawi, the head of the World Islamic League in London, insisted “there should be a clear distinction between the suicide bombing of those who are trying to defend themselves from occupiers, which is something different from those who kill civilians, which is a big crime.”

    In a classic example of laying blame everywhere but at our own door, Musawi actually criticized the Western media (for supposedly confusing frustrated young Muslims) rather than those scholars who had blessed suicide bombings as long as they targeted Israelis.

    Suicide bombings are the Muslim weapon of choice not only in London and Israel but in Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Turkey. They are killing Muslims and non-Muslims alike, and yet our imams and scholars cannot condemn them.

    As I said, the London bombings did it for me. Or maybe it’s the knowledge that the more these faceless cowards strike, the more Muslim men in the West like my brother are pushed onto the stage of suspicion. After the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, Ehab — who spends virtually all of his time caring for his cardiology patients or fulfilling his role as husband and father — was one of the 5,000 Muslim men questioned by the FBI; two years later he was among the thousands more who had to submit to being fingerprinted and photographed as part of a special registration.

    But most of all, the London bombings rid me of all patience with the excuse that “George Bush [or Tony Blair or take your pick of Western leaders] made me do it.” We don’t know who was behind Thursday’s explosions, but an Arab analyst told a satellite channel that if Blair hadn’t learned the mistake of the Iraq war, these new attacks were a firm reminder.

    I never bought the explanation that U.S. foreign policy had “brought on” the Sept. 11 attacks, and I certainly don’t buy the idea that the Iraq war is behind the attacks in London. Many people across the world have opposed U.S. and British foreign policy, but that doesn’t mean they are rushing to fly planes into buildings or to blow up buses and Underground trains in London.

    I was against the invasion of Iraq and would not have voted for George Bush if I were a U.S. citizen, but I’m done with the “George Bush made me do it” excuse. We must accept responsibility for this mess if we are ever to find a way out.

    And for those non-Muslims who accept the George Bush excuse, I have a question: Do you think Muslims are incapable of accepting responsibility? It is at least in some way bigoted to think that Muslims can only react violently.

    We all must ask a host of difficult questions. How about beginning by acknowledging once and for all that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is not a Muslim issue? It is a dispute over land that too many clerics and religious leaders, radical or otherwise, use to flesh out the victimized-Muslim scenario.

    Yes, Palestinians deserve a state, and, yes, Israel must end its occupation of the West Bank and Gaza.

    But rather than dwelling endlessly on these issues, we would do well to spend time encouraging our young people to become more active members of their communities and to not live caught between two worlds: a Muslim one at home and in the mosque, an “infidel” one outside.

    And what about assimilation? It is not bigoted to ask Muslims if they are integrating into the societies they are living in. Just as the British government has responsibilities toward its citizens, immigrants included, so too do those immigrants. Muslims ask for time off work for prayer, for example, and they often get it. But are they truly living in Britain or are they perpetuating an existence that even their relatives “back home” long ago left behind? Domestic policy is too often ignored by many Muslims who are more concerned with Palestine, Iraq or any other place where Muslims are believed to have suffered injustice.

    I raise these questions because London might have done it for me, but I’m not done with Islam. The clerics and the terrorists will not take it away from me. God belongs to me, too.

    Mona Eltahawy is a New York-based columnist for the pan-Arab newspaper Asharq al-Awsat.http://

  21. please explain the “stupid question in the article” or must all muslims devote their lives to palestine?

  22. that’s funny. your post proves a theory i’ve had for quite some time: that, by and large, reading comprehension has been neglected in most school systems in the middle east. if you ever find yourself in the west there are a number of reading programs i can suggest for you. please let me know.

  23. abu fatoush

    I don’t want muslims to devote their lives to Palsetine. I wish they would leave it alone actually. It would be much much better.

    Palsetine is not a relegious problem. Hell its not an Arab problem either unfortunatly seeing how certain Arab nations screwed the Palestinians just as much as Israel did.

    So leave the problems alone

  24. “But rather than dwelling endlessly on these issues, we would do well to spend time encouraging our young people to become more active members of their communities and to not live caught between two worlds: a Muslim one at home and in the mosque, an “infidel” one outside.”

    anon, while i agree with some points that you made earlier but i would like to point out that after reading the whole article i think that ms.tahawy was refering to Muslims living in Britain and not to Palestinians here. What i concluded from this article is that she just touched up on the Palestinian issue because people who are blew up themseleves in London use the iraqi and palestinian issue as a reason for their frustration…i would like to note here that these people who committed this crime ARE actually living in the comfort of the west just like tahaway herslef.

  25. Actually one more thing…I think Natasha was trying to show some solidarity and condemning the silencing of free voices(whether you agree with this voice or not). But sadly the discussion turned into a bashing fest of Mona Tahawi.

  26. ANON” “I don’t want muslims to devote their lives to Palsetine. I wish they would leave it alone actually. It would be much much better. Palsetine is not a relegious problem. Hell its not an Arab problem either unfortunatly seeing how certain Arab nations screwed the Palestinians just as much as Israel did.”

    Your true colors are shining thru. All you care about is helping israel and shifting attention away from israeli brutality. let the palestinian rott alone, right? and palestine IS A RELIGIOUS PROBLEM. Those doing the killing and invasion are ALL JEWISH. Those protecting jewish brutality, trading with them, arming them ARE WHITE CHRISTIANS!!! and yes, it’s not religious, IT’S RACIAL AND RELIGIOUS, the worst form of cruelty all committed by liberal, western ,democracies against Arabs in Palestine, the cursed chidren of Ishmael.

  27. “show some solidarity and condemning the silencing of free voices”

    I am sorry, we have low standards for what is considered “silencing free voices” and that includes jailing people (did not happen to mona), physically abusing the victim (did not happen to mona) and using various form of intimidations and threats (did not happen to mona), or firing her from her bread-winning job (did not happen to mona). I guess when you live in a place like Jordan and in between palestine and iraq, “silencing” tends to mean many things including but not limted to murder, none of which happened to mona.

  28. Walak…No one is trying to divert the attention from Israel’s brutality!!! What is wrong with you?? And for the Palestinians it was never a religous issue, it was an issue of stolen land and being…The world sadly has put it in the religous category. When f*cking osama bin laden comes out after 9/11 saying that the suffering of the Palestinians is one of the reasons al qaeda committed this terrorist act, who has diverted the attention from Israel’s brutatlity now???? No one screwed the Palestinians more than groups like Qaeda and other Arabs that used this cause to achieve personal interests…

  29. Walak, Great job lumping all Americans togther. Your hate for the US is based what? Do even you live in the US? Do you know many Americans? Becaue you seem to know how all of us think and feel.

    I’m so tired of people judging Americans solely based on the actions of our crazy and corupt administration.. That’s as stupid and ignorant as people in the US judging all Arabs/Muslims by the actions of Al Qaiada.

    Contrary to what you might believe, there are many of us in the US who don’t like George Bush , did not vote for him, did not support the Iraq invasion, don’t approve of some US foreign policy etc…

  30. Basboos and Skye,
    THANK YOU!!! I couldn’t have said any of that better myself. Very well said.

  31. “I’m so tired of people judging Americans solely based on the actions of our crazy and corupt administration.”

    this president came to power by the will of the majority of americans, even after his lies were exposed. that says plenty about the majority of americans. Your feelings of your feelings of exauhstion are nothing close to the feeling of an M16 bullet piercing the body of a Palestinian or Iraqi. what i am saying is that i could care less about your feelings because you could care less about my life. and when the camera is not around to record your ations, yo uare capable of far more hedious crimes than Jack the ripper.

  32. Oh for Pete’s sake. First,get it through your thick skull that there are many American’s who DID NOT vote for Bush and who DON’T like or agree with his policies. In fact there has always been debate here if Bush even really won the election.

    My guess, the way you’re talking is that you’re going to keep on hating and blaming all Americans no matter what anyone says. You’re always going to assume that all Americans don’t care about Muslims or Arabs. So keep on hating.

    And so it goes…

  33. Walak,
    You are generalizing Americans far too much. Yes, people did vote for Bush, but there are also plenty of Americans who did not vote for him, don’t agree with him, and who protest against him — just as Skye already pointed out.
    That being said, since you generalize Americans, does that mean that I am able to generalize all Muslims and Arabs as psychotic terrorists? How do you feel when someone says that obviously you like to kidnap innocent people such as civilians and journalists and behead them, and you enjoy flying planes into buildings and killing thousands of innocent people? That is ridiculous to say, isn’t it? It’s just as ridiculous as you saying that all Americans do whatever the hell it is you claim that we do as a whole! Yes, there are Americans out there who fit into the category you lumped us all into…as well as Arabs, Canadians, Europeans, Asians, etc. I am aware that there are many good Arabs out there and that the terrorists are a small group among them, so why can’t you realize that not all Americans are whom you claim us to be? There’s good and bad in every group no matter how you cut it. You are so blinded by hate that you can’t see this!
    Point is, you are so full of hatred for the Americans (and obviously Israel as well) that nothing anyone says will change your mind, and that’s so incredibly sad. I really am sad for you. It must be awful to live with such hatred in your heart.

  34. My point is that Ms. Tahawi speaks out of no understanding to the Palestinian problem. She is not even Palestinian so she can do us a favor and go comment about other issues.

  35. anon: what on earth are you talking about? please provide a short list of those journalists you feel understand “the Palestinian” problem. lemme guess, robert fisk is on the top, huh?

  36. abu fatoush

    Why don’t you eat fatoush, it may make you smarter. If you ready my messages from the beging to end of this blog you’ll understand, other wise I can’t help you. However, a friend told me that in your america they have some reading classes so that can help you.

    And by the way tabouleh is way better than fatoush

  37. dm, a big ditto to what you wrote. Very nicely put. I agree with everything you said

  38. To dm

    Having hate towards Israel is not the same thing as having hate towards the US. Israel stole our land. I don’t have hate towards them, I resent them. However, for the sake of peace I accept a peaceful solution of 2 states side by side and when I say peace I mean real peace not a piece, a peace that is built on justice not a Palestinian state dictated by a superior Israel, not a Palestinian state that is humiliate when it excersizes its basic freedoms such as selecting its own government.

    The bottom line is that we have a state, we have a flag, we are a people, we have a government, for too long we have been demonized. But isn’t amazing that regardless of the numerous attempts by Israel to elminate the Palestinian people, they have failed.

    It is sad that extremists use the Palestinians as an excuse to do whatever the hell they do. It is sad that the US uses freedom as an excuse to occupy a country and humiliate its people and cause that country to become a heaven for terrorists.

    The peace of the world depends on peace and justice for the Palestinians

  39. Anon,
    I respect where you are coming from. I threw out Israel there because it is apparent that Walak is full of so much rage. My main focus on my comment was his unjustified hatred for all Americans though.
    Honestly, the fighting between Palestine and Israel has been going on for so incredibly long that I don’t know who’s right and who’s wrong. I just wish there could be a peaceful resolution. How that could happen is beyond me, because if you talk to a Palestinian, they say that Israel is at fault and if you talk to an Israeli they say that the Palestinians are at fault.
    I’ll admit, I don’t even know fully about what’s going on over there, so I am not at liberty to take any sides. I don’t think that anyone fully understands unless they live it daily or have otherwise seen it first hand, which unfortunately many do. Either way, I didn’t mean to compare the hatred towards Israel with the hatred towards America. That was hardly my intention so I do apologize if that’s the message I sent.

  40. dm

    I appreciate your comment. I realize that you along with many Americans don’t know much about the Israeli Palestinian situation and honestly you and many other Americans probably could care less. But what I do ask of you and others is to do a bit of research and see where all your tax money is going, I think that would be of great interest to you. I won’t tell you where or what its being used for but I really think you’d be shocked and interested to know. Try the research if you can’t find it let me know then I’ll give some hints.

  41. “many American’s who DID NOT vote for Bush”

    But most did vote. And most did not ask for impeachment. And most did not take to the streets. And most did not do anything to stop the war. Many is NOT most, if you know anything about statistics 010. that’s grounds for generalizations.

  42. “Walak, you’re full of hate. ”

    Natalia, you are full of ignorance, callousness, and violence. Add to that clinical narcissism. I am not the one doing the killing and the looting, yet here you are demonstrating one of the greatest american traits, which you share with israelis, playing the victim.

    I can see you Natali accusing a bleeding Iraqi child of hate. you are twisted. as i said, you are a nation in need of psychiatric attention. but most serial killers felt victimized.

  43. dm “Honestly, the fighting between Palestine and Israel has been going on for so incredibly long that I don’t know who’s right and who’s wrong.”

    There is nothing honest about this statement. the fact is, you are ideologically not inclined to see an Arab victim in the palestinian-israeli conflict, and the hyphen was ment to equalize. this is like saying the Jewish-Nazi conflict or the British-Indian conflict, or the…Despite the UN resolutions, and despite the common sense that says you can’t steal someone’s property at gunpoint (looting) and then thru them out in the desert (ethnic cleansing) still you can’t see who is right and who is wrong. what a twisted mind.

  44. “It is sad that extremists use the Palestinians as an excuse to do whatever the hell they do”

    WRONG!!! what the US and Israel inhumanity turns normal people into extremists. have you every heard of suicide attacks in Iraq at such a scale before the americans invaded and unleashed their brutal nature? have you heard of suicide attacks in palestine before the jews invaded? fact is, palestine is NOT an excuse, Israel and US violence, cruelty, and racism are the biggest catalyst for instability and violance in the region and recently in the world. Fact is, any normal human being will crack under the weight such sustained inhumanity. so lets start putting the blame where it belongs and stop repeating nonsensical cliches.

  45. Walak

    Usama bin Laden is a filthy rich Saudi bastard. Don’t give me the crap that the US is making him do anything. He is just an extremist and he is as bad as Ariel Sharon or any of the Israeli extremists.

    No one is condemining the Palestinians’ rights to defend themselves from the occupation. I wish they can do it via a different method rather than suicide bombings. We are losing too many lives.

  46. Why does each topic posted have to turn into Arab-American dispute, or Palestinians & Israeli’s conflict ! Why do we have to see attacks on personalities and people in each topic? This is not helpful; I think we come here to exchange opinions and enrich each other on what we know, and not transmit our resentment and hatered to the opponent; if this continues, I think it will be deterrant to the blog readers not to share, or even, not to come back later to this blog !

  47. Jareer

    why don’t you start by leaving as you are one of the main people that is always attacking others and starting crap

  48. “Why does each topic posted have to turn into Arab-American dispute, or Palestinians & Israeli”

    when anon posted this “But rather than dwelling endlessly on [the palestinian conflict], we would do well to spend time encouraging our young people to become more active members of their communities and to not live caught between two worlds: a Muslim one at home and in the mosque, an “infidel” one outside.”

    then the americans and the jews came to his rescue and the whole thing went down the drain. I actually have followed many such posts. the discussions tend to head in the wrong direction the moment a sanctimnouus american or jew starts giving lectures to arabs, even as the killings and the tortures and the assasinations of arabs conintue unabated on an hourly basis committed by jews and americans. These lectures from self-rightous butchers tend to piss people off. that’s my 2 fils on your question.

  49. Walak
    You’ve got everything wrong…You dont even know the basic debate skills.
    Do you really understand ENGLISH or what other people are saying?? You keep interpreting what people are saying the way YOU want…You were the one who started this stupid discussion and totally drifted everyones attention from the original post. Can you just shove it and give us all a break..

  50. Wallak ya idiot

    when I posted that, I was quoting and against the quote. So I was on your side but obviously you are an idiot.

  51. anon: “when I posted that, I was quoting and against the quote. So I was on your side ”

    sorry anon, but you are so rude it’s hard to tell if you are friend or foe.

  52. Thats interesting, I didn’t know that Natasha was pro-Israeli. I mean I can see her resentment to Palestinians for reasons I won’t get into but I would say she’s pro Israeli

  53. DRK, where did you get the impression that I’m pro-Israeli! I have a wide range of links on my blog, from all over the globe. It doesn’t mean anything really. They are sites that I read every once in a while. It doesn’t mean I necessarily agree with them!

    Anon, if you do not really like what I write on this blog then my advice to you is to visit other blogs that you enjoy. It is rude to come to my blog and attack me. It is like coming into my house and insulting me. I have really had it with people who come here merely to unleash personal attacks. I might as well ban you since you do not have the courage to reveal yourself.

    And that’s it! This debate is coming to an end. I’m closing the comments here because this section has become nothing but a forum for exchanging insults.

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