Jordan and the Mormon Church

Reader Jen left a detailed comment today on my post entitled "Man on a mission," explaining the position of the Mormon Church on a number of issues — including the Israel-Palestine conflict. She also mentioned something I was completely unaware of. In her comment, she stated that Jordan actually recognizes the Mormon Church:

I do commend the state of Jordan for being the only Muslim country to officially recognize the Mormon church and to allow people in Jordan to worship in the open.

This was news to me. I had always thought that the Mormon Church had not been allowed to set up shop in the Kingdom. After doing some Googling, I found this:

In 1989, Jordan became the first Arab country to grant formal recognition to the [Mormon] Church, allowing it to establish the Center for Cultural and Educational Affairs in Amman.

To make my position clear, I do not agree with many of the teachings of the Mormon Church but I am all for facilitating the freedom of religion in Jordan and elsewhere.

Read Jen’s full comment here.

34 Comments

  1. Hareega December 19, 2006 at 11:21 pm

    Interesting! I wonder if there are non-American Mormons?

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  2. jameed December 20, 2006 at 12:44 am

    Hareega ya qaraba,

    What comment is that? It sounds like “there are non-Arab Muslims?!” The LDS church sends thousands and thousands of missionaries all over the world. They have a strong presence in the Polynesian Islands, Eastern Europe and Latin America. In total, there are about 10m Mormons world wide and it is considered one the fastest-growing religions. But in essence, I partly-agree with you is that it is an “American” or “Americanized” religion.

    The Mormon Church has always known who to hook up with. That’s how they gained recognition in Jordan. Any problems they face there stems from the refusal of other Christian sects to recognize them as “Christians”, something that is not particular to Jordan. Otherwise, they have their center around the 4th circle plus a considerable presence in Huson with a number of converts (from other Christian sects) from Jordan and Iraq.

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  3. Scooby December 20, 2006 at 11:08 am

    It’s all about the money, baby. You flash enough money in a desperate person’s face, and the chance of possibly getting a green card, and they will convert to devil worship, not just Mormonisim.

    These so-called former Christians in Jordan and Iraq and elsewhere in the Middle East look at their mother church and ask: “What have you done for me lately?” When they get no reply, the Mormons are there with their U.S. money bags. The traditional, true, church in Jordan, the church of Christ himself, should be ashamed at how it has failed its people to the point that they get no spiritual or material help from their church, so that now they have to turn to a bunch of wacko cultists from Utah.

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  4. NouR December 20, 2006 at 1:23 pm

    I agree with Hareega, many LDS missionaries have been working in the Middle East, but it seems that they didn’t success to convert numerous people.
    http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/daily/history/middle_east.html

    I can mention two small LDS churches in Rawda-Damascus and Mkallis-Beirut with very few adherents.

    I believe that the Mormons are just an evolution of the Protestant Christianity with conventional innovation for the white settlers of the United States.

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  5. hareega December 21, 2006 at 11:49 am

    Are there non-Arab Muslims?

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  6. jareer December 21, 2006 at 1:12 pm

    Non-Arab Moslems make 80% of Moslems,Hareega.

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  7. Craig December 21, 2006 at 2:22 pm

    I believe that the Mormons are just an evolution of the Protestant Christianity with conventional innovation for the white settlers of the United States.

    No, there’s quite a lot more to it than that 🙂

    They have their own scripture, and their own prophet(s) – at least I’m pretty sure. When I was a kid I had Mormon friends and I went to tehir services a few times. I felt like I was in an alternate reality. Especially when I’d say something like “What is that!? Where is that coming from!?” and the answer was “From the Bible” and I’d say “That’s not in the Bible!!” – answer “It’s in OUR Bible” – sorry, supporters of Mormons – theer is a reason why other Christians don’t think the Mormon Church is a Christian one. I have nothing against Mormons – to me they are the same as any other non-Christian religion, no better and no worse. But they aren’t Christians. That’s my only beef with Mormons. I don’t like them lumping themselves in with other Christian denominations, when they are so obviously different in their fundamental beliefs.

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  8. tommy December 22, 2006 at 10:57 am

    In addition to following the Bible, the Mormons have an additional source of scripture: The Book of Mormon. The Mormons claim Jesus Christ appeared in the New World (a New World very different from the one known to science, BTW) and the Book of Mormon details that World and Jesus Christ’s history there.

    Needless to say, the entire idea is heretical in the minds of most other Christian groups.

    Here are a few articles from Wikipedia if you care to learn a little more:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter-day_Saints
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Mormon
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Smith%2C_Jr.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brigham_young

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  9. Jenny December 23, 2006 at 1:11 pm

    One non-Arab Muslim, Keith Ellison, is a member of U.S. Congress, the esteemed body that also unfortunately employs this guy.

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  10. Sami December 24, 2006 at 12:39 am

    “The traditional, true, church in Jordan, the church of Christ himself, should be ashamed at how it has failed its people to the point that they get no spiritual or material help from their church, so that now they have to turn to a bunch of wacko cultists from Utah.”

    Are you out of your mind???? The people in Jordan have not gotten any help from the church. Where the hell do you get this? You need to learn and see what churches in Jordan are doing before you make such a stupid statement.

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  11. Craig December 25, 2006 at 10:41 pm

    Jenny,

    One non-Arab Muslim, Keith Ellison, is a member of U.S. Congress

    What about this guy in the Sneate? “Hussein is a muslim name, isn’t it? :O

    Barack Hussein Obama

    the esteemed body that also unfortunately employs this guy.

    What are you worried about that guy for? David Duke used to be in the Congress, and he was the Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan. And David Duke doesn’t just say stupid stuff on American TV, he goes to Iran to say stupid stuff.

    Robert Byrd spent decades in the Ku Klux Klan and he’s been in the Senate since before I was born, I’m pretty sure.

    But these people are not “employed” – they are elected. If bigots want to elect a bigot to represent them, there is no law against it. For better or for worse.

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  12. Scooby December 26, 2006 at 2:06 am

    Sami:

    Only because it is Christmas, I will not stoop as low as you. Frankly, you are a low-life that is not even worthy of a reply. If you have an opinion to share, please do so while respecting that of others. There is no need for you to use foul language or to call people names.

    Merry Christmas.

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  13. Sami December 26, 2006 at 3:35 am

    Scooby

    Lear to read, no one called you names. However, you chose to provide such a reply because your statement is baseless and you have no idea what churches in Jordan are doing.

    Who is the low life now?

    Merry xmas to you too

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  14. Scooby December 26, 2006 at 2:48 pm

    Sami:

    Learn how to spell.

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  15. Ashraf December 28, 2006 at 10:42 am

    Natasha, im surprised you didnt know! your always well knowledged and have always exceeded my expectations!

    About mormon church in Amman, do you remember the old days of ACCESS ? while NETS was the first BBS in Amman, Access was the 2nd ,, i was a member of Access during the mid 1990s in Amman before full internet was introduced in 1997…

    anyhow, a member in Access was named Jabra Ghneim, he introduced me to the Mormon religon and told me there is like a YMCA for Mormons in Amman between 5th and 4th circle, moreover: he said if i convert into Mormonism i will be granted a full schorlarship into the University of Utah in Salt Lake City…

    Cheers,
    Ash

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  16. jabra January 5, 2007 at 1:47 pm

    Ash, I am glad you remembr the church. I didn’t say that you can get a scholarship. I believe we talked about BYU, the church’s university, and I informed you that the church gives scholarships to people in the West Bank and Jordan regardless of religion. Actually anyon can go and meet with BYU officials at the center I told you about and seek an application

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  17. Jen January 5, 2007 at 7:35 pm

    Craig, I’m sorry I’m so late with this; you may not even read this…

    If you were told by Mormons that something was in “our bible” (something I can’t imagine anyone saying, nevertheless…), they would be referring to the King James version of the Holy Bible. It is the standard used throughout the church. We do not ever refer the Book of Mormon as our bible.

    As far as being Christian goes…Christ is at the center of our beliefs and the church is named for Him (Mormon is a given nickname). The church does not lump itself in with other denominations at all! Most Mormons are quite keen to tell you how we are different. We are sometimes “lumped” by others into Protestantism, but we do not describe ourselves as Protestants, so don’t get too upset! In Basic Training at Ft. Jackson, my CO did not allow me to attend my church services because I was “just another Protestant” and could go that service. Nice guy.

    2 Ne. 25: 26 (from the Book of Mormon)
    And we talk of Christ, we rejoice in Christ, we preach of Christ, we prophesy of Christ, and we write according to our prophecies, that our children may know to what source they may look for a remission of their sins.

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  18. Jordan January 29, 2007 at 10:55 am

    That is so interesting to me about there being a presence of the Church of Jesus Christ in Jordan….does anyone know if there is progress being made of similar presence in other Arab countries?

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  19. bani Adam February 3, 2007 at 8:18 pm

    and they say there is no freedom in muslim countries…ya 7eif 3ala il zaman illi khallana inwattee roosna in the name of western style ‘democracy’. No one has the right to come into someone else’s home and change the way they live, trying to demoralize a people in order to justify forcing their beliefs on them.
    but it goes to show, these missionaries themselves say that its a challenge to convert muslims, and they attribute it to the oppression of us poor muslims (remember they also try to convert arab christians to their protestant, evangelical belief). Yet how is it that there are more than 20 different missionary groups in jordan alone? ‘oppression’? the laws in the country have become so liberal its almost disgusting, so where is the oppression? But they know as well as you know that it is a challenge because they refuse to acknowledge the kind of community and sense of morals and values that we share, as jordanian muslims and christians. They refuse to acknowledge that IT IS BECAUSE we know God that the majority of our youth is not inclined to drink themselves to death, that sexual transmitted diseases have an incidence of less than 0.5%, and that anyone that comes to our country is welcomed and taken care of just as you would welcome and take care of your own brother, sister, father, mother etc. Its is because we know God that families are not easily broken apart and people look out for each other.
    Thank God for blessing us with such a community, Al hamdulillah
    and thanks for letting me share

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  20. The Informer February 4, 2007 at 12:52 pm

    I too have found it curious that missionaries target Jordan. I mean, in many ways it is the home or right next to the home of Christianity (and other monotheistic faiths for that matter). So why are Christian — and it is almost exclusively Christian — groups targeting the country for their work. Yes, there are Muslims there, but 1) there is a great deal of acceptance amongst all the religious communities so why come stir the pot and 2) it is actually a dangerous practice to try and ‘bring someone over’ when that journey can leave you branded an apostate, leaving you with this label for the rest of your life in your homeland. Why not leave well enough alone?

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  21. bani adam February 4, 2007 at 7:55 pm

    Ha. you see it is not the fear of being branded an apostate. you make it sound as though people want to convert to christianity but its the oppression that prevents them from doing that. my dear fellow human beings, have some dignity and conscience, for God’s sake! leave us alone, we do not want your way of life, we do not want your problems. These missionary people support wars like the iraq war, so they can come in and pretend to be good doers in the eyes of the iraqis. how do you claim to be after peace and love when you support a war that sanctions the killing and raping of people and their homes! americans have no clue what is going on in iraq, because brown eyed black eyed girls being raped and killed by soldiers are not human, they are ‘subhuman’. that is why they do not get the same attention that a blue eyes blond haired girl would get. and these missionaries have the blood of iraqi people on their hands just as much as george bush has the blood of the iraqi ppl on his hands… “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are” matthew 23:15.

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  22. sami February 20, 2007 at 5:57 am

    i am from jordan,please i need email address for the person in charge to mail him i need advice and help.

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  23. Jabra March 3, 2007 at 2:05 pm

    Sami, to get in touch with the person in charge in Jordan please email me at

    jabrafghneim@yahoo.com

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  24. David March 2, 2008 at 12:59 am

    Hello everyone,

    Well, I find this to be a very interesting topic. Before I speak, here is a little about me:

    I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (aka the “Mormon” Church).
    I am majoring in Middle East Studies and Arabic.
    My Arabic teacher was the person who was in charge of the Mormon district in Jordan (he was District President until recently).

    Basically, yes, Jordan recognizes The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints(to use the official name of the “Mormon” church).

    We are not a “crazy” cult. We are often called that because of ritual worship we do in temples, but Jews did ritual worship in their temples, and Muslims do ritual worship in the hajj. Christian churches have rites they perform, such as sacrament. Jews and Muslims had/have restrictions as to who could/can participate as do we, and it is to preserve the sacredness of the experience. Even we are not allowed in temples until we are of the proper standing in the church, but we wish all mankind to attain to such standing, so the restriction is to make sure we to do not lightly treat sacred things. We believe the Bible, and additional scripture such as the Book of Mormon. We believe in Jesus Christ as Savior, Redeemer, and Messiah.

    Much like Islam and Christianity, there are several sects of “mormonism”, but the church based in Salt Lake (the one this article is about) is the one that still has prophets, apostles, the priesthood, and proselyting missionaries, with the missionary success that we believe was prophesied to happen. Other “fundamentalist” sects often give us a reputation we do not deserve because they practice illegal things, such as poligamy and under-age marriage, but these are no more representative of our beliefs than some fundamental Islamic groups are representative of most Muslims. However, this may be another reason we are sometimes considered a “crazy” cult.

    We believe that the Book of Mormon testifies that the Bible is correct and true scripture. I have read the Old Testament and the New Testament and testify that these are scripture and the words of prophets of old who spoke the word of God.

    Most members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints now live outside of the United States. We have members all over the world.

    The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has no official position on the Iraqi war. It does officially teach against murder, rape, etc.

    My personal opinion is much evil has happened at the hands of human beings in wars, and some good has when people have done it for self-defense. It is unfortunate that wickedness happens in wars. It is unfortunate that innocent lives are taken and virtue is not respected.

    The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and the Book of Mormon teaches that all mankind is equal, that all truth is for all people, that life is sacred, that virtue is sacred, and that all mankind ought to have charity for all nations, kindred tongues and people.

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  25. I'm More Than A Man March 2, 2008 at 1:53 pm

    “I believe that the Mormons are just an evolution of the Protestant Christianity with conventional innovation for the white settlers of the United States”

    Thats funny, I always thought Mormons were an evolution of Islam for the white settles in the USA. You know… new scripture, new prophet, angel, gold plates, restoring the ‘true’ faith, claiming continuity from Christianity, etc etc…

    Anyway I believe they were able to register on the condition they only go after Christians… Which really makes the current situation with the Government against the Evangelicals quite ironic…

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  26. jo March 2, 2008 at 2:27 pm

    Oh, I get it: Islam Reloaded!
    I hate sequels
    jo

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  27. David March 8, 2008 at 1:22 am

    The rise of Islam parallels the rise of the The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in a lot of ways, particularly when comparing Joseph Smith and Muhammad. However, Joseph Smith’s concerns that led him to pray and receive revelation was a result of the Christian sectarianism that confused him. It is amazing how many similarities there are between Islam and the LDS church though. We have dietary and modesty laws, and believe strongly in missionary work. There are essential differences as well though.

    An extra bit of info, we don’t actively proselytize in Jordan. Basically, we have a branch primarily made of already existing members. My professor who was in charge of the district in Jordan(a district is a geographical designation the LDS church uses for a region of small congregations) says we don’t because of the concerns we have about honor killings. I think the LDS church prefers to respect the sanctity of life and the existing values than converting people unless there is a way for that not to happen. Of course, this isn’t based on any official statement, and that could change although we would still be careful.

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  28. jo March 8, 2008 at 5:14 am

    I found these:
    http://www.irr.org/mit/changingscrips.html

    2 Nephi 12, p. 117, [1830 Book of Mormon]
    … and many generations shall not pass away among them, save they shall be a white and a delightsome people.
    (see original text http://www.irr.org/mit/1830bom-cs-p117.html )

    2 Nephi 30:6 (1840 edition) … and many generations shall not pass away among them, save they shall be a white pure and a delightsome people.

    (Later editions until 1981) … white and delightsome

    (1981 to current edition) pure and delightsome

    NOTE: Before 1978 dark-skinned males were not allowed to hold positions of priesthood authority within the Mormon church. Today Mormon scriptures continue to teach that dark skin is a curse from God and a sign of His displeasure (See 1 Nephi 12:23; 2 Nephi 5:21; Alma 3:6). Brigham Young, second president and prophet of the LDS church referred to those with dark skin as being “cursed with a s[k]in of blackness” (Journal of Discourses, vol. 11, p. 272).

    On Mormon racism:
    http://www.angelfire.com/ms/seanie/mormon/lds_racism.html

    A Mormon response to the changes:
    http://www.lightplanet.com/response/changes.htm

    Wow, this shows even more similarities to Islam: seems they believe in naskh wa mansoukh too – such an useful mechanism for the would-be prophet plagued by slips of the tongue and those wretched “satanic verses”. What amazes me is that people accept it:

    jo

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  29. jo March 8, 2008 at 10:57 am

    I’m sorry everyone but I’m finding these Islam-Mormon parallels totally fascinating. Here’s one where the Mormons win ten to four:

    “. . .if any man espouse a virgin, and desire to espouse another, and the first give her consent, and if he espouse the second, and they are virgins, and have vowed to no other man, then is he justified; he cannot commit adultery . . . . And if he have TEN VIRGINS given unto him by this law, he cannot commit adultery.” (Doctrine and Covenants 132:61, 62)

    http://www.challengemin.org/17little.html

    -jo

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  30. David March 8, 2008 at 11:40 am

    Thanks for your comments Jo. “White” in Webster’s 1828 dictionary (so at the time the Book of Mormon was translated), one of the definitions meant pure. The correction is merely to reflect the language at the time.

    As far as the those teachings go, we don’t believe skin color inherantly makes somebody evil, but it was to seperate the decendants of Laman and Lemuel from Nephi’s. Even the Book of Mormon talks of those who had received the change as being better many times than those who didn’t. In fact, there are examples of them being much more faithful and prophets coming from those who were not marked like that. In the Book of Mormon, when they were marked that way, it was to protect Nephi’s people from them, so they would know who they were when they were enemies.

    As far as those of African-American ancestry receiving the priesthood, isn’t it wonderful?! That is an example of the fulfillment of what the Book of Mormon and the Bible says that all the nations of the earth will be blessed. Yes, they were barred for a time, but that was more due to the understanding of Noah’s curse upon Canaan, barring him and his decendants from the priesthood.

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  31. David March 8, 2008 at 11:57 am

    Wow, I made a mistake in my writing, and wasn’t as clear as I ought to be. I wish there were an edit option.

    This sentence was confusing: “In fact, there are examples of them being much more faithful and prophets coming from those who were not marked like that.”

    Basically, what I said is, the decendants of Laman and Lemuel who were marked to seperate them from the Nephites to protect the Nephites are not loathsome throughout the narrative. In fact, many of them end up more faithful than those who were not marked. The decendants of Nephi ended up being destroyed, because of disobedience.

    I believe God controls nature and if he wants to seperate nations, he can make them look different, speak different, or have different cultures. Scientifically, if a people have shared looks and values, they usually group together, and mingle less with groups that don’t share those things. That fits what the Book of Mormon says. When those that had been seperated in such a way became pure (white, not skin-wise, but purity wise), they became part of the people of Nephi. The narrative itself describes this, and it makes sense because they accepted their religion and again had something in common, something that was much more important than skin color.

    Noah had cursed Canaan, and the priesthood was not to go to his decendants, and they were seperated. The biblical account isn’t clear, but God does not curse unless their is an important reason, and those people were likewise seperated from other of Noah’s decendants.

    Likewise, when many African-Americans began to accept the Gospel, our leaders pleaded with God and received answers that the time had come to allow them to share with us the fullness of God’s blessings, and thus have the priesthood again. That cultural difference went away, and they became part of the church. Their was no longer a reason for them not to have those blessings, because they had become pure. The Book of Mormon narrative was an example of what happened in 1978.

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  32. janine April 17, 2008 at 4:23 pm

    I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Days Saints and am from North Wales, UK. My husband is Jordanian and is a practising muslim

    It is really sad reading most of these posts about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Mormon church) as there are so many negative comments, most of which are completely untrue. Maybe people should actually do their research properly before expressing their opinion. Why can’t people just except other people’s beliefs? Mormons are Christians and the Book of Mormon is not “our” Bible its just another witness that Jesus Christ is the son of God. If you don’t beleive it, then try reading the book for yourself!!! As for the post that implied that all members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints support a war that sanctions the killing and raping of people and their homes, that is simply not true.

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  33. Jo April 30, 2008 at 3:06 am

    Maybe people should actually do their research properly before expressing their opinion… Mormons are Christians and the Book of Mormon is not “our” Bible its just another witness that Jesus Christ is the son of God.

    Ok… well… I did a bit of research and well, it seems we have a different definition of “son of god” here. Does your husband (and the Jordanian government!) know mormons are a polytheists that hope to be a god one day? Or can you help us understand these quotes since we, trapped in our “darkened and erroneous traditions” of montheism, are so incapable of research ourselves:

    LDS Prophet Joseph Smith taught that God was once a mortal man:

    “God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens! That is the great secret. …I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil,…

    It is the first principle of the gospel to know for a certainty the character of God, …and that He was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ Himself did; …you have got to learn how to be gods yourselves, and to be kings and priests to God, the same as all gods have done before you, namely, by going from one small degree to another,… from exaltation to exaltation, until you attain to the resurrection of the dead, and are able to dwell in everlasting burnings. and to sit in glory, as do those who sit enthroned in everlasting power” (History of the Church, Vol. 6, Ch. 14, p. 305-6).

    LDS President Brigham Young declared that God was once a finite being:

    “It appears ridiculous to the world, under their darkened and erroneous traditions, that God has once been a finite being” (Deseret News, Nov. 16, 1859, p. 290).

    LDS President Joseph Fielding Smith said that God had a father, a grandfather, etc.:

    “Our father in heaven, according to the Prophet, had a father, and since there has been a condition of this kind through all eternity, each Father had a Father” (Doctrines of Salvation, 2:47).

    LDS President Joseph F. Smith taught that God was born as a mortal on some other earth:

    “I know that God is a being with body, parts and passions…Man was born of woman; Christ, the Savior, was born of woman; and God, the Father was born of woman” (Deseret News, Church News, Sept. 19, 1936, p. 2).

    LDS Apostle Bruce R. McConkie taught:

    “The Father is a glorified, perfected, resurrected, exalted man who worked out his salvation by obedience to the same laws he has given to us so that we may do the same” (A New Witness for the Articles of Faith, p. 64)

    LDS Apostle Melvin Ballard explained that God has a wife:

    “For as we have a Father in heaven, so also we have a Mother there, a glorified, exalted, ennobled Mother” (As quoted in Achieving a Celestial Marriage, LDS Church manual, 1976, p. 129).

    LDS Doctrine and Covenants promises the faithful LDS couple that they can achieve godhood in the same manner as God the Father:

    “…if a man marry a wife, and make a covenant with her for time and for all eternity,… they shall [have]…a continuation of the seeds [children] forever and ever. Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting,… Then shall they be gods, because they have all power,… and continuation of the lives,… [endless procreation of spirit children]” (Doctrine and Covenants Section 132:18-22)

    LDS President Brigham Young taught that faithful Mormons can achieve godhood:

    “Intelligent beings are organized to become Gods, even the Sons of God, to dwell in the presence of the Gods, and become associated with the highest intelligences that dwell in eternity. We are now in the school, and must practice upon what we receive” (Discourses of Brigham Young, p. 245).

    LDS President Joseph F. Smith said:

    “We are precisely in the same condition and under the same circumstances that God our heavenly Father was when he was passing through this, or a similar ordeal” (Gospel Doctrine, p. 54).

    As recently as 2007 both Apostle Boyd K. Packer and Dallen Oakes, during an interview for PBS, explained that God the father has a resurrected body. Apostle Packer stated:

    “That vision [Joseph Smith’s 1820 vision] taught us some things. We learned about the personality of God the Father, a resurrected Being, as part of our gospel.”

    Apostle Oakes used the same term when he was interviewed:

    “The first revelation received by Joseph Smith was the appearance to him of the Father and the Son ­ embodied, separate, identifiable, tangible Beings who appeared to him in what we refer to as the First Vision. And that first revelation, concerning the nature of God as an embodied, glorified, resurrected Being, challenged the creeds of Christianity. Christianity describes God as a disembodied, incomprehensible, spiritual entity that fills the whole universe, and an indistinguishable Father and Son.”

    LDS Apostle James E. Talmage taught that God progressed from a mortal to a god:

    “We believe in a God who is Himself progressive, whose majesty is intelligence; whose perfection consists in eternal advancement — a Being who has attained His exalted state by a path which now His children are permitted to follow, whose glory it is their heritage to share. In spite of the opposition of the sects, in the face of direct charges of blasphemy, the Church proclaims the eternal truth: ‘As man is, God once was; as God is, man may be'” (Articles of Faith, Ch. 24, p. 430-431).

    Istaghfar Allah al3theem! I really can’t see what right Mormons have to claim a link to the great Abrahamic (ie monotheistic) faiths. This appears to be pure polytheism…

    -jo

    see also: Man on a mission

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